@ M.PyruzWill any of these indigenous subs (Nahang, Ghadir, Qaem) be large enough to launch cruise missiles like Nasr-1 and Tondar (what's the difference between them BTW, except that the latter is rather based on the AShM C-801 with an extra finned booster ?!) and drones for over the horizon target acquisition and terminal steering ?WMDeception
Ghadir ClassSpecificationsPhysicalDisplacement (Submerged) 120 tonsLength 29 mBeam 2.75 mPerformanceSpeed (Surfaced) 11 knotsSpeed (Submerged) 8 knotsArmamentTorpedo 2 533mm torpedo tubes 2X Fajre Darya SSM(also capable of launching magnetic and sonic mines)Fajr e darya (based on Chinese C-701/YI7) Length: 2.507 m Diameter: 0.18 m Wingspan: 0.587 m (unfolded); or 0.450 m (folded) Weight: 100 kg Warhead: 29 kg time-delayed semi-armour-piercing high-explosive Propulsion: Solid rocket engine Max Speed: 0.8 Mach Min Range: 0.5 km Max Range: 15-20 km Flight Altitude: 15-20 m Guidance Mode: TV-homing Single-Shot Hit Probability: 95% The submarine, which is capable of operating in the Persian Gulf and Indian ocean seawaters, can launch both missiles and torpedoes at the same time, the television reported, without specifying the range of the projectiles.
Homemade huh? Yeah, looks like they used upside down wheel barrels for the front end.
I think they were trying to create 1940's vintage look...
If it's diesel powered, that could give it away. 8 knots submerged doesn't compare to the subs that already go 13 knots underwater.
It is a shallow water coastal defence sub not an ocean going large submarine. Iran has Kilo class (Yunes class with Klub cruise missiles) submarines for that. Just accept the fact that this is a great achievement for Iran and its domestic manfacturing as only a handful of nations can produce subs. Baby steps lead to running eventually.
HE HE HE!!For many decades now, right through the time of the Cold War and afterwards, the Americans have been conducting large scale anti-submarine training and exercises all over the world - they trained primarily for hunting/killing Soviet subs. They are masters of the art of anti-submarine warfare. These toys would not last more than 5 minutes against them
Good to see the DOD watching this.To all the anti Iranian B.S. ers here.. what is the point of all those super modern instruments , if you are scared shit to get "hurt".That is your weak point and that will be your end.you can kill 10 of theirs and they kill 1 of you... at the end you will tire and bugger off.does that sound familiar..thats from the last war you lost.Dariush London
@ August 8, 2010 1:37 PMAs to Farje Darya, it's either replicated from an Italian Marte or from the Chinese C-701/Y17, although you'll find it more commonly referenced as the infamous Kosar/Kowsar... very confusing!It's one thing to fire it from a cave or grove but from the middle of a vast body of water and with such a short range this would amount to suicide.The longer ranged Nasr-1 seems more suitable except for its size. There's confusion about its length as well, but it lacks the Noor turbojet and the extra Tondar booster so it may be short enough. My impression is that it will replace the Tondar (and the Kowsar the Fajr D.) and either be an over the horizon Fire and Forget missile or will need terminal targeting assistance by drone observation/illumination. WMDeception
...or (let's not be overly pessimistic here) by a string of LEO observation/communication satellites.WMDeception
...and I guess submersed launched cruise-missiles and drones would rather be too optimistic.WMDecpetion
You don't hear them Sorks talking about "wheel barrels", on the contrary:"A submarine ... equipped with night-vision equipment and other high-tech gadgets, as well as a unique structure to enhance its stealth capabilities."WMDeception
I would not rubbish the quality and advance capability of the Iranian arms industry. You see what happened to the Israeli warship bristling with all hyped advanced radar, sonar etc. yet failed to spot the missile fired by Hezboallah. Iran probably has all the information it needs to demolish the drones in time of crisis, remember many have been shot in Afghanistan and probably sold to it's war industry.
30 years now we witness this saber ratteling, even if they drop a bomb or two on Iran. Irans reaction is then legitimate,... meaning Iran will not have to hide the transfere of anything to Lebanon, because of the state of WAR.Iran would not have to hide their Iraq and Afghanistan adventurtes.. nor in Qatar and UAE.. it would be iRans right to sting where it sees fit.Dariush London
Commander: Iran to arm own 'Bladerunner' boatsIran Guards 'will be everywhere and nowhere' to face enemies if country attacked. TEHRAN - Iran will mass produce replicas of the Bladerunner 51, often described as the world's fastest boat, and equip them with weapons to be deployed in the Gulf, a top commander said Tuesday."The Bladerunner is a British ship that holds the world speed record. We got a copy (on which) we made some changes so it can launch missiles and torpedoes," said General Ali Fadavi of the Revolutionary Guards' navy."The Revolutionary Guards will be equipped with many" of them within a year, he said at a ceremony marking the delivery of 12 other speed boats equipped with missiles and torpedoes to the Guards.The Bladerunner 51, weighing 16 tonnes and 15.5 metres (45 feet) long is manufactured at the ICE Marine shipyard in Britain and can reach a maximum speed of 65 knots.The boat, powered by two 1,000-horsepower engines, reportedly conducted in 2005 a tour of the British Isles in a little more than 27 hours at an average speed of 63 knots.General Fadavi did not fully explain how Iran managed to get a copy of the boat, only saying it had come "via South Africa."He said a US ship had tried to intercept the boat before it entered Iranian waters 18 months ago, but added Iranian forces protected it and ensured its arrival.Fadavi further warned that "in case of a conflict we will be everywhere and nowhere to face the enemies," recalling that Iran controls the strategic Strait of Hormuz through which 40 percent of world's seaborne oil supplies pass.In recent weeks Iranian military officials have stepped up their warnings against any attack on the Islamic republic.
IRGC Launches Dozens of Missile-Launching Speedboats in Persian Gulf TEHRAN (FNA)- The Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) on Tuesday launched tens of its missile-launching speedboats in the Persian Gulf. The speedboats in Zolfaqar, Tareq, Ashoura and Zoljanah classes were launched in a ceremony attended by IRGC Navy Commander Admiral Ali Fadavi and a number of other high-ranking officials. During the ceremony, Fadavi underlined that the speedboats enjoy high-speed, good sailing capabilities and a high destructive power, and announced the country's plans to continue launching similar vessels in Iran's southern waters. Noting that the measure is aimed at improving the deterrence power of the Iranian Navy, he reiterated, "Undoubtedly through this measure we can extend help to the further establishment of security in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz." The Islamic Republic has mass-produced a large number of speed-boats with rocket- launchers and other sophisticated military equipment which are able to strike a heavy blow on any foreign warship if the country comes under attack. Also the IRGC has earlier announced that it is ready to deploy its submarines and battle boats to intercept vessels in the Strait of Hormuz. The IRGC is responsible for the security of the Persian Gulf. In 2008, Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi, former commander of the IRGC and the current military advisor to the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, declared that the responsibility of Persian Gulf defense had been handed over to the IRGC. He warned that the IRGC would seal the strategic Strait of Hormuz in case the US launches any attack on Iran's nuclear installations. Safavi said that according to the Supreme Leader's decision, the Iranian army was tasked with controlling the Oman and Caspian Seas, while the full responsibility for defending the Persian Gulf security was handed over to the IRGC. Iran's armed forces comprise of the regular army and the IRGC, both of which are under the command of Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei. The IRGC, which is formed of the three ground, naval and air forces, is mainly tasked with protecting border areas and defending the Islamic Republic against foreign and internal threats. The Leader's decision expanded the IRGC's control in the strategic Persian Gulf which is also a major route for global oil exports. General Rahim Safavi also said at the time that any hostile target and all warships passing through the Persian Gulf are within the reach of the IRGC's missiles
With all due respect but I doubt if "swarming" or any other asymmetric tactics by all these surface models will survive US naval defenses once serious hostilities begin.I do not condone illicit drugs or drugs smuggling but even Narco-exporting corporations have begun experimenting with submersibles, so the future certainly seems to lie beneath the waves!WMDeception
Same hot air bravado and bluff Saddam Hussein was blurting out at one time. All I ever hear from the anti semites is hatred when they start all the violence themselves and blame others.
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IF the red flag does up - I think that the only problem the Americans will have will be finding sufficient airspace over the Gulf for each aircraft. There will be so many of them that they will appear like a swarm of bees. I wou;dn't like to be onboard one of those small lightweight Iranian vessels then - a few 50 Cal rounds will be all it will need to take them out. I was thinking that a good name for it would be "Shock and Awe" - but this one will probably be called something else.
An American Los Angeles class attach sub will sink one of these with just it's prop wash. Is this an Iranian joke?
A LA class submarine Would not even entre the Persian Gulf you idiot...
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