tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post8298349720635240570..comments2024-03-10T22:24:34.032-04:00Comments on Uskowi on Iran - اسکویی در باره ایران: The "Cyber Basij"--IranNader Uskowihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02808543185109048956noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-60845864651936085552013-01-30T08:38:42.735-05:002013-01-30T08:38:42.735-05:00@anon 2:25
The joke is that you expect me to chang...@anon 2:25<br />The joke is that you expect me to change the subject from discussing the "deceitful over the top propaganda" of the regime to a discussion about me and my "faults". <br /><br />I don't know about you but I don't tend to write on topics that I feel "wrong" about. I was willing to agree to disagree, assuming that you are genuinely convinced of your own logic.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665812073292288344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-15734277505417448322013-01-30T06:26:33.963-05:002013-01-30T06:26:33.963-05:00Despite your gibberish, the FACT remains that Iran...Despite your gibberish, the FACT remains that Iran is progressing quite well despite all US/Zionist efforts to destabilize it. Just watch in the next month a third generation fighter plane would be operational, the largest auto plant in the region is almost complete, a manned space flight is not far away. BTW, a few years ago, the oil refining capacity issue was supposed to bring the government down, according to the usual anti-Iran imeciles? LOL. Today, Iran has the largest refining capacity in the Persian Gulf region. However, don't let me spoil your delusions and daily rants. Iran Payendebad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-1649731520756819302013-01-30T02:39:41.836-05:002013-01-30T02:39:41.836-05:00why write a long response that addresses the issue...why write a long response that addresses the issue when no matter what, the author simply says his position are indisputable and then proceeds to laugh at you.... might as well do the same as the author and write a few pages about how you hate and disrespect some people and never expect to give any follow up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-73670940559736868432013-01-30T02:25:00.587-05:002013-01-30T02:25:00.587-05:00some part of me tells me you aren't the greate...some part of me tells me you aren't the greatest reference... I'll agree to what you said (having an informatic branch to your army is normal but Iran's secrecy does take away credibility when defending it).. but would you agree that the fact that the MSM is on your side discredits you? seriously up till now you haven't been willing to admit a single fault of your own, while I keep trying to find common ground... All of your comments include some sly remark on me (while I tried to keep my jokes oriented towards myself). <br /><br /><br />I might sound like a parrot but seriously your just a net-kiddie who has no idea how to discuss... you systematically refuse to answer the arguments against what you wrote, you prefer to go into the personal and unprovable, just like the first tier... I'll admit your english is good but were I to use your logic your just paid by the US, so that brings you back to tier 1....<br /><br />I dont want you to flatter me (the fact that you haven't answered any of my questions is kind of flattering), I just want you to admit your own faults, which are blatant in your conclusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-77311980086987173712013-01-30T01:39:52.581-05:002013-01-30T01:39:52.581-05:00@anon 10:21
Ok tier 3 it is.
In all seriousness th...@anon 10:21<br />Ok tier 3 it is.<br />In all seriousness though, we may not agree on this as I have picked the terms intentionally, but you must admit that having the cyber Basij around does make it difficult for the genuine pro-IR commentators to be taken seriously, or believed.<br />Keep up the good work, you can count on me for reference if you do apply for that their 3 job.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665812073292288344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-18012219480526102772013-01-29T22:54:55.527-05:002013-01-29T22:54:55.527-05:00Do not exagerate, this blog serves the interests o...Do not exagerate, this blog serves the interests of the Zionists and the West.<br />The blog cleaveerly uses photolets From Iran and other propaganda ones to portray itself as in touch with Iranian current matters.<br />When several months agou I had pointed that their photos contain incorrect description, nobody thad taken pains to correct that.<br /><br />A-F Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-23845995547713214042013-01-29T22:43:00.544-05:002013-01-29T22:43:00.544-05:00Anon 9:01 PM....It's not the 16th largest econ...Anon 9:01 PM....It's not the 16th largest economy in the world.In fact two years ago it was the 28th and now even less.<br />As for your "rich bounty of raw resources available" part,all of it is being sucked up by the thieving low life mullah regime and some given away to their terrorist friends.<br />Iran has become a shame under those disgusting uneducated low life vermin of liars thieves and cold blooded murderers.<br />May it all come back to them and haunt them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-13024764214107685852013-01-29T22:21:50.558-05:002013-01-29T22:21:50.558-05:00Thanks, thats the tier I was aiming for (though I&...Thanks, thats the tier I was aiming for (though I'm not Iranian so wouldn't this qualify me as a mercenary i.e third tier) <br /><br />Seriously the rest of your article was quite good, you could just admit that the last bit was a little emotional or rushed(by the way: your analysis of pro-iran comments was pretty spot on, i could write one on con-iran comments but that would be another discussion completely :b)... I guess hoping for someone to have an evolution of opinion is to much to ask in this day and age...I seriously do try and admit my flaws when writing comments, I would appreciate if you would try and do the same. You could just admit your vocabulary was not wisely chosen (I'm getting convinced this was the case) or that this particular analysis didn't have it's place with the rest of the reporting you did(actually I'm convinced its these two reasons ).<br /><br /><br />I just find it sad how no one cares about reaching an agreement, but only try and see enemies to conquer and humiliate.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />the anon that been ranting on for a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-91220901409622988162013-01-29T20:07:20.970-05:002013-01-29T20:07:20.970-05:00@anon 7:46
Well done!
If you are a "cyber Bas...@anon 7:46<br />Well done!<br />If you are a "cyber Basij" you would be at least a tier 2.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665812073292288344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-17033900371856536082013-01-29T19:46:56.611-05:002013-01-29T19:46:56.611-05:00re-reading my comments I'll agree they go in e...re-reading my comments I'll agree they go in every direction and can be quite confusing... so here are quotations of your article and why I disagree or think they are blatantly disrespectful.<br /><br />"It appears that the IR has deployed a wide array of commentators" ; their is no factual value in claiming that most commentators that do not position themselves as you do are hired. Most do it for free and will consider this as an insult (seeing how you dislike their insults why would you do the same?).<br /><br />"Judging by our own experience with the "Cyber Basij" commentators" ; You've already admitted their is no way of knowing whether one is hired or not by the regime. You cannot judge by something you can't be sure you've had.<br /><br />"The supposed country of origin and style can vary, but most of us have learned to spot these characters for who they are, low paid regime agents" ; Yet another thinly disguised insult, most of these characters simply do not know how to argue and are unable to question their beliefs. The reasons for these beliefs can be varied and might sometimes even have some truth to it, by emitting this one-sided judgement you are doing exactly what you are criticizing.<br /><br />"On occasion they would adhere to a consistent anti-government line on a couple of unimportant issues to give themselves some credibility." ; you are again implying that not hating the regime means one has no credibility.<br /><br />", or try to discredit anti-regime bloggers and commentators without actually having any valid reasons" that's all that paragraph is about (if your not from Iran and support the core message of the regime you are a mercenary, the only reason you are arguing is for money, whatever your saying doesn't make sense).<br /><br />"they love turning the discussion into a tangent discussion about the west or the writers" ; Why would end your analysis (which otherwise was rather factual and had references) with a conclusion with no factual anchor that basically gathers all pro-regime comments and labels them as paid cyber-basij, you are once again doing exactly what you are criticizing. <br /><br />"I can't help but have some respect for the true believers of the Islamic Republic, especially those using their real names and sticking their necks out defending an unpopular regime." You have no idea who are the true believers and the false. Using a name (how would you know whether it is the real or a false one) doesn't proove a thing. such a claim makes it seem as though you believe you can identify who is a true believer and who isn't....<br /><br /><br />Anyhow, my day is done (I'm paid by the words so you just paid this months rent)!!! Just kidding by the way but I can't help but expect this accusation to come up at some point :bAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-87184827183292632152013-01-29T19:25:36.625-05:002013-01-29T19:25:36.625-05:00If you would have simply formulated it as you just...If you would have simply formulated it as you just did (the pattern being that of regime supporters rather then cyber-basij) your analysis would've been quite accurate. Yet you did not, you implied the pattern was that of the basij... this is what I've been disagreeing with..<br /><br />By the way I agree that many comments (both pro and con regime) deviate the subject and prefer gross one-liners rather then meaningful discussion. This is a plague in our age where reaching consensus is so much less important then finding the one sentence to humiliate your interlocutor.. I admit I kinda drifted towards that in my comments, I just feel as though you are changing your position to better answer me back. your article states you've had experience with the cyber-basij (I don't doubt this by the way), yet your first answer to my comment basically claimed what I've been saying ; their is no way to know what is or isn't a cyber-basij comment.<br /><br />I'd just add that many con-regime comments do all of the things you said about the pro-regime posters (look at the article about the monkey in space if you want an example). The pattern you describe is that of most net-users these days... One doesn't need to be paid to go down that path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-51413506209931285972013-01-29T18:58:37.128-05:002013-01-29T18:58:37.128-05:00@anon 6:16
I'm not quite sure I follow, but I ...@anon 6:16<br />I'm not quite sure I follow, but I will spell it out for you in case you are still confused about what's being said here. Do I think that all pro regime commentators are cyber Basij? The answer is NO.<br /><br />Do I think that many of the pro regime commentators fit the patterns described in the article and are likely paid commentators who would argue the point for the sake of arguing and tend to deflect, attack writers, and change the subject? The answer is YES.<br /><br />To get a glimpse at what what I mean read the comment thread on "how far they will go?" By Paul. Not a single person is addressing the arguments made by Paul but rather the "Cyber Basij" is making one single argument in unison and that is "he is not qualified to talk about Iran because he's never been in Iran or that he is not iranian". I assume the average reader is aware that the majority of Iran analysts and policy makers in the west have never been to Iran, don't speak Farsi and yet the opinions is no less important. Despite that the "cyber Basij" sees this as a rally point for all to converge on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665812073292288344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-47286829965779786742013-01-29T18:16:44.699-05:002013-01-29T18:16:44.699-05:00you did raise the question of cyber-basijs' at...you did raise the question of cyber-basijs' attitude when commentating, and proceeded to grossly assume that comments not in your view were part of a pattern you can attribute to the basij... reality is the only tiers you describe that really could be paid by the regime is the first one (at least i would expect, I'll admit the third one would also make sense). I will not comment on the other parts of your article as I don't have anything to say about it (you didn't say much about my comments either by the way)... and where did you see me talk about Israel or even stating that paid commentators were unheard of? or are you just trying to divert the discussion on grounds you feel more secure?<br /><br />The pattern you analyze is that of all pro-regime comments, not that of the cyber-basij... If you can't see that then your really as bad as the anti-zionist parrots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-54101034500811161432013-01-29T12:05:55.332-05:002013-01-29T12:05:55.332-05:00You better think very hard and pick which side you...You better think very hard and pick which side you're on.<br />Comparing Cyrus,Darius or the legendary Babak who fought against the Muslim occupiers for over 22 years with an occupying Islamist regime headed by Khamenei,which is destroying ancient Iranian culture with nomadic desert culture from deepest Arabia is very disingenuous of you.<br />The principles of a nomadic desert culture and its savagery cannot mix with a old civilization like Iran.The result is what you see today poverty,bigotry and the general backwardness that our culture has been put into the straight jacket of Islam. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-75437028375011611402013-01-29T00:46:17.838-05:002013-01-29T00:46:17.838-05:00@anon 1:47
To be clear, the analysis of the "...@anon 1:47<br />To be clear, the analysis of the "cyber Basij" paid commentators can only be done as a pattern analysis as described in the piece. It is up to the readers to decide for themselves if an individual commentator is genuine or not. I am sure most of us here would give everyone the benefit of the doubt most of the time.<br /><br />As for the notion of having hired commentators to push a regime agenda this is nothing new, what's new is that Iran is taking it to next level. I suggest you read this article in huffington post which refers to these practices in china and Russia.<br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/freedom-house/internet-freedom_b_1974661.html<br /><br />I am still waiting for critical comments that address what is being raised in the article specifically and without going on tangents, attacking the motives, or blaming the fake BBC site on Israel.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665812073292288344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-74042660148701292392013-01-28T21:01:34.292-05:002013-01-28T21:01:34.292-05:00Back in the days of Dariush, Persia's populati...Back in the days of Dariush, Persia's population from Libya to the banks of Indus in Pakistan and the Caucasian mountains was mere one million people, today it is over 80 million. So I believe that the current leadership has more global and national influence including Ayatollah Khamenei's words carry far weight in the nano-second communication age, and hence the global attention on Iran. BTW, read any newspaper around the world and in any language and Iran will be mostly on the front page. This shows the strategic location, energy riches and the potential of present day Iran as an INDEPENDENT and large power. <br /><br />Even on the strategic geo-political mass power projection matrix, Iran ranks as a major world player with a large landmass, educated population, 16th largest economy, large self-sustaining battle tested military, 4th largest missile strike force, nuke capbility, and sheer rich bounty of raw natural resources available. Do you ever sit back, chill out on the 24/7 anti-Iran frustration and think why no-one including the deadbeat US, despite the constant goading by its Zionist mutt has never seriously intended to take on Iran in a head-on shooting war? bebe joon it is simply suicidal and will not happen. So I am not comparing the situation over 3 millienium of glorious and illustrious Persian history but stating the obvious facts about current REALPOLITIK! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-78106581855842098312013-01-28T19:48:12.700-05:002013-01-28T19:48:12.700-05:00So you are trying to compare Dariush III to Khaaye...So you are trying to compare Dariush III to Khaayehemani ? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-28902779757902368812013-01-28T19:06:00.627-05:002013-01-28T19:06:00.627-05:00Bebe Joon, the problem is that some of the delusio...Bebe Joon, the problem is that some of the delusional set of so-called Iranians have been bad-mouthing Iran since ages. Treachery is in Persian DNA, if you are "Iranian" and have read our history, every Iranian leader including Dariush (Darias)was betrayed by his own generals when Alexander invaded. So history keeps on repeating I guess. However, fortunately the vast majority of Iranians living in Iran have matured now and there is more nationalism and patriotism since the revolution and an understanding of Iran's place in the sun and its great history. Iranian unity during the jange tahmili was a classic example of changes in national outlook and now the total national unity over the nuclear program. So try to understand reality rather than just parroting Zionist media and its manipulative "news" from the daily hasbara script. What is cheap fakery is subservience to foreign interests. Now try to learn to cook aab ghoost and relax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-11402503427116534882013-01-28T17:54:30.238-05:002013-01-28T17:54:30.238-05:00ask the author if it was his intent to label all p...ask the author if it was his intent to label all pro-regime comments as "cyber basij" in origin.<br /><br />do ask.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-34005513937346427562013-01-28T13:47:12.579-05:002013-01-28T13:47:12.579-05:00the assumption is present in the article... seeing...the assumption is present in the article... seeing as the author bases his analysis of cyber basij on all pro-Iran comments. Here's what the cyber-basij probably really do: filter comments on site which they have control, creation of bots to roam Iranian sites, blogs, etc. Write reports on web/media trends and how they could be countered. Spying (includes the menaces the author refers to). web security(includes DOS attacks and that kind of job which requires a degree in informatic security). Judging of what site should be banned in Iran(such as this one I would guess :b). Some may post comments but I highly doubt they're paid for that... They're is no evidence what so ever that Iran highers any commentators yet this article presents it as a fact and goes so far as to claim it can classify them... An analysis of which of these tiers could be hired by the regime could've been interesting had the author been honest enough not to attack everybody he disagrees with and admit that factual knowledge on this cyber-basij actions is very rare and does not include their daily routine or their posting fashion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-25096482515134493922013-01-28T11:16:52.396-05:002013-01-28T11:16:52.396-05:00it ain't you, babe.
no no no it ain't yo...it ain't you, babe.<br /><br /><br />no no no it ain't you, babe.<br /><br /><br /><br />the bathetic "everybody is always picking on us" is dishonest and calling other Iranians who are critical of the regime "traitors" shows how small and cheap <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-81796292830949665112013-01-28T05:39:17.382-05:002013-01-28T05:39:17.382-05:00Iran has to do what it has to do. They should have...Iran has to do what it has to do. They should have left it 'alone' since the revolution. No, they won't, Iraq war, sanctions, threats of nuclear annihilation, attack of friends etc. What the hell you want it to do? I would have made all these traitors eat their co.kc, honestly, if it were me!tubtuilaykahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05722056351957587560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-8658645247426885712013-01-28T03:15:00.718-05:002013-01-28T03:15:00.718-05:00Nader, what up with you lately bro? Your blog is s...Nader, what up with you lately bro? Your blog is sounding more desperately anti-Iran lately? Your minders asking you to post more unadulterated crappola and shinola since things ain't looking too rosy! I sure as heck ain't a Cyber Basij, not officially at least.LOL. Just a moonlighting Cyber Surfer and part-time global hotel lobby lizard with a knack for spilling the beans on nutters. So chill dude and go easy on the debka impersonation! I can only take so much humour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-61978626358941550842013-01-28T02:45:34.433-05:002013-01-28T02:45:34.433-05:00
yes understanding various internet protocols and ...<br />yes understanding various internet protocols and finding out the weaekness in various operating system´is not easy.<br />so if iran can gather a group of skilled hacker, it is a great progress<br /><br />and of course this MD Fazel is a natural born hassod,we need to folloow his posting Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5169130203475264933.post-79978737731327777532013-01-28T00:38:56.165-05:002013-01-28T00:38:56.165-05:00Of course by Basin, I meant Basij. No insult was i...Of course by Basin, I meant Basij. No insult was intended!Nader Uskowihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02808543185109048956noreply@blogger.com